Mastering the Smith Manoeuvre and Turning Your Mortgage Into a Tax Deductible Investment Loan

We’ve been writing about the Smith Manoeuvre here at Million Dollar Journey for over a decade now!

Since I have personally implemented the Smith Manoeuvre and provided various updates on my tax deductible investment loan + Canadian dividend stocks strategy over the years, we’ve collected quite an assortment of Smith Manoeuvre themed articles. Rather than have readers click all over the site, I thought it’d be best to update all of the relevant information and then combine all of the information that we’ve gleaned over the years into our Ultimate Guide to the Smith Manoeuvre!

[Editor’s Note: I started working on this guide several months ago, and we know that there is a hunger for financial predictions concerning the viral tragedy unfolding. While one could argue that there is no better time to start the Smith Manoeuvre than during a market downturn, this article is meant to be a long-term resource that folks can come back to as they implement the strategy.]

Introduction to the Smith Manoeuvre

For those who don’t know what the Smith Manoeuvre is, it’s a Canadian wealth strategy that is designed to structure your mortgage so that it’s tax deductible. Our U.S. neighbours already get the luxury of claiming their mortgage interest on their yearly tax return, and now there is a way for us Canadians to do the same. (Kind of.)

There’s a tax rule in Canada, where if you borrow money to invest in an income-producing investment (like a dividend-paying stock or an investment property), you can deduct the annual interest paid on the investment loan from your income tax.

In layman’s terms, if you get a loan with x amount of interest per year, you can claim that x interest during income tax season if you use the loan toward stocks or rental properties. If you’re still confused, please read on below where I will eventually explain everything step-by-step.

If you’re wondering if the juice is worth the squeeze – just understand that while properly implementing the Smith Manoeuvre does require a little bit of reading, it can save you thousands of dollars per year in taxes, as well as supercharge your long-term investment returns.

Mr. Fraser Smith came up with the idea of the Smith Manoeuvre (hence the name) and revealed it as a way for Canadians to turn their plain old mortgage debt, into shiny new investment debt – which was tax deductible and ready to grow.

To summarize the Smith Manoeuvre in a nutshell, the main idea is that you borrow money against the equity in your home, invest it in income-producing entities, and use the tax return to further pay down the mortgage.

Rinse-and-repeat until your mortgage is completely paid off, leaving you with a large portfolio and an investment loan. Voila! Your mortgage is now an investment loan which is tax-deductible.  Plus, you have a much larger portfolio that is ready to take advantage of the long-term rate of return that stocks have traditionally generated over the last 200+ years.

While I have a tendency to optimize, here is a slightly modified version of the Smith Manoeuvre which you can use if you have already started a non-registered investment account like I did.  If you have not yet opened a non-registered account, then just skip to Step 2.

  1. Sell all existing stock from non-registered investment accounts and use it toward a down payment for step 2.
  2. Obtain a readvanceable mortgage. This is a mortgage that has 2 entities, the Home Equity Line of Credit (HELOC) and the regular mortgage.

Nothing unique about this setup EXCEPT that as you pay down the mortgage, the credit limit on the HELOC increases. This is a key feature that is needed when implementing the Smith Manoeuvre. Note that you usually require at least 20% equity/down payment before you can obtain a readvanceable mortgage. All of Canada’s major banks offer this type of HELOC + Mortgage setup; however, I wouldn’t bank on walking into a branch and talking to anyone who has any idea what the Smith Manoeuvre is!

  1. Use the HELOC portion of your mortgage to invest in income producing entities like dividend paying stocks or rental property. With every mortgage payment, your HELOC limit will increase. So with every regular mortgage payment, you will invest the new money in your HELOC. Note that you SHOULD NOT use the HELOC money to invest in your RRSP or TFSA as you will lose the tax deduction on the invested money. If you don’t already have an investment account, here is a review of the more popular discount brokerages in Canada.
  2. When tax season hits, deduct the annual amount of interest that you paid on your HELOC against your income. So, if you paid $6,000 in interest payments for the year and you have a marginal tax rate of 40%, you will get back ~$2,400 of it.
  3. Apply the tax return and investment income (dividends, etc.) against your non-deductible mortgage and invest the new money that’s now in your HELOC.
  4. Repeat steps 3-5 until your non-deductible mortgage is paid off.

As you can see, this process will pay down your regular mortgage in a hurry.

  1. Additionally, it’s important to understand that in its pure form, the Smith Manoeuvre advocates for never paying down the original HELOC. Simply pay the interest each year, deduct it on your taxes, and leave the investments to do their thing. This can, of course, be modified depending on your risk tolerance. This is also why multi-millionaires often have large investment loans, and why the tax code is set up to take advantage of that fact.
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How Much of My Home Equity Can I Use for The Smith Manoeuvre?

Nationally-regulated banks can only allow homeowners to borrow up to 65% of their equity towards their “revolving” or home equity line of credit portion. However, homeowners can still borrow up to 80% of their equity in total. This means that the remaining 15% (80% – 65%) has to be in the form of an installment mortgage with a regular repayment schedule.

This is a relatively recent rules change and the important thing to remember is that at no point can you ever be borrowing more than 80% of the total value of your house, and at no time can you have a HELOC greater than 65% of the value of your house.

Should I Do the Smith Manoeuvre?

One particular (and critical) fact to keep in mind is that even though the Smith Manoeuvre includes making your Canadian mortgage tax deductible, it also includes a leveraged investment strategy.

What the heck is a leveraged investment strategy, you might ask?

Leveraged investing refers to the act of borrowing money in order to invest. The term comes from the idea that when you borrow money to invest, you can “move” great sums of money – sort of like how using a bar and a fulcrum allows someone to apply physical leverage in order to move a heavy object.

When using the Smith Manoeuvre and implementing a leveraged investing strategy it is critical that you understand that if markets go down, you still have to pay interest on your investment loan.  Consequently, borrowing money in order to invest can be quite risky in the short term, and if you need the money in the next 5-10 years, I would definitely not set up a Smith Manoeuvre! Leverage works against you, so when markets go down, you will really feel that sting if you are looking at your investment accounts every day.

It’s crucial that you know yourself, know how you respond to risk, understand how investing markets work, and be confident in your long-term strategy no matter what markets do in the short term. I cannot emphasize enough how important it is to know if you will be able to sleep at night after watching 40% of the value of your Smith Manoeuvre account seemingly evaporate. It’s bad enough when this happens inside an RRSP or TFSA, but there is an added layer of psychological warfare that occurs when that investment has been purchased with “borrowed money”. It’s possible (if unlikely) that you could end up with an investment loan that is worth more than your now-cratered investment portfolio.

Now, if you understand how equity markets work, and are confident that profitable businesses will keep making money in the long-term – then this isn’t a big worry. You can ride it out, keep making your mortgage payments, keep deducting the interest, and live life. If you can’t wrap your head around how this all works, and instead just keep coming back to, “It feels like I’m gambling my house on the stock market,” then the Smith Manoeuvre simply isn’t for you.

The Advantages:

  • You get to build a large investment portfolio without waiting to pay off your mortgage first (the power of compounding). This is an absolutely massive advantage in wealth-building power relative to the average Canadian!
  • You get to pay down your non-deductible mortgage in a hurry.
  • Your new investment loan is tax deductible. This obviously becomes even more valuable if you are in the higher tax brackets.

The Downside:

  • You need to be comfortable with LEVERAGE and investing in general.
  • You need a plan ‘B’ in the case that you need to move and home values have gone down. If you invested properly, your portfolio should at LEAST cover your loan.
  • Some record-keeping has to be done for tax purposes.

What are the Benefits and Investment Returns of the Smith Manoeuvre?

Here are my personal numbers and plan from back when I started the Smith Manoeuvre – which I’ll use to calculate the benefit. You’ll notice that back in 2008, houses were much cheaper, and interest rates were much higher. These numbers were my original plan, and for the most part, they held up pretty well:

  • Old Residential Home Value: $140,000
  • Old Outstanding Mortgage: $80,000
  • Equity: $50,000 after Realtor fees.
  • Cash Savings used: $20,000
  • Non-Registered Portfolio: $40,000 (liquidate)
  • Total Down Payment: $110,000
  • New House: $275,000
  • New Mortgage: $275k-110k= $165,000 (non tax deductible)
  • New HELOC (@ 6%): [ ($275k x 75%) – $165k] = $41,250 (tax deductible)
  • Total Debt: $206,250
  • New Mortgage Payment (accelerated bi-weekly) @ 5.25%: $584.12 (not including property tax, insurance etc).
  • Original Amortization: 16 years

The Criteria:

  • All tax returns will be applied to the non-deductible mortgage balance, which then again, increases the HELOC balance.
  • All dividends will be used to pay down the non-deductible mortgage.
  • HELOC interest payments will be capitalized. That is, the HELOC required payments will be paid by the HELOC itself. This will avoid using any of my own cash flow to support the investment loan. The spreadsheet will account for this.
  • Assume that the LOC will be invested in dividend paying stocks that provide an income stream of $1400/year (assume 3.5% average dividend yield). This equates to a $54 / bi-weekly period applied to the mortgage. This should be increasing annually but for simplicity sake, I will be keeping this constant.
  • Assume that since I’m going to continue to max out my RRSP, I won’t have any extra cash to pay down the mortgage.

The Assumptions:

  • Marginal Tax Rate: 40%
  • Average Investment Growth Rate: 8%
  • Diverted Periodic Investments: $54
  • HELOC Interest rate: 6%
  • Mortgage Interest Rate: 5.25%

The Results:

  • Non-deductible mortgage paid off in 11.78 years instead of 16
  • Investment Portfolio Value after mortgage is retired: $244,833
  • Portfolio Value NET of HELOC: $38,583
  • Investment Portfolio Value after 25 years: $908,640
  • Portfolio Value NET of HELOC: $702,390

Summary:

  • This analysis shows the benefits of using the Smith Manoeuvre, not the down side. You need to be comfortable with leverage, especially the downside, before you even consider using this strategy.
  • The Smith Manoeuvre enabled me to pay off my mortgage in 12 years instead of the stated 16 years with no extra cash flow out of my pocket.
  • At the end of the mortgage term, assuming that I average 8% returns over that period of time, my portfolio value minus the loan amount will be approximately $38,000.
  • If I continue to hold the tax-deductible loan after paying off my original mortgage loan, and allow my investments to continue to compound – the overall result will be roughly $700,000 more in my pocket.

A common argument against the Smith Manoeuvre is that there is simply too much risk in “gambling” your home in the stock market.

If you have this question, it’s honestly a good indicator that the Smith Manoeuvre isn’t for you – and that’s ok! You know what’s not for me? Anything involving motors, wrenches, etc! It’s important to “know thy self” when it comes to leveraged investing. Investing in the stock market might come with an inherent level of risk – however it’s NOT gambling at all. Using fairly stagnant home equity that would just sit there otherwise, not compounding much on your behalf, is “gambling your house”.

Think about it this way, isn’t it a “gamble” in some sense of the word when you buy a house and take out a mortgage 5-10x as big as your down payment?  If you look at that house as an investment, you just leveraged a ton of money in order to buy an asset that is about as non-diversified as you can get. That huge amount of money that you just borrowed is now tied up in a single property – which can’t be moved – and that will rely on the whims of the local real estate market, which you have no control over. PLUS, it’s pretty illiquid and will cost you thousands of dollars to sell. How is that less risky than setting up a portfolio of stable dividend stocks, which are diversified across massive industries, and that earn money from all over the world?!

Not just that, but they have 20+ year histories of paying their shareholders ever-increasing dividends, year after year. I know which asset sounds less risky to me!

The diversification of your assets that is a necessary part of the Smith Manoeuvre actually makes your overall financial picture less risky – but if that’s hard to envision, then you’ll find it very difficult to not panic when markets hit a downturn, and using leveraged investing just isn’t for you.

How to Setup the Smith Manoeuvre 

Before I start with the details, we need to make sure that your investment loan is, in fact, an investment loan that is tax deductible. If you get a loan to invest in a tax-sheltered account, like an RRSP, TFSA, and/or an RESP, then the interest is not tax deductible.

Also, tax deductibility of an investment loan depends on if you use the proceeds to generate business/investment income. You cannot use a HELOC secured against your rental property on personal expenses and still claim the interest as a tax deduction.

Calculate Your Interest Deductible:

To determine the tax return of the interest paid on your investment loan, multiply the total interest paid during the year by your marginal tax rate.

For example: if you paid $1,000 in interest for the year and you are in the 40% marginal tax bracket, you will receive $400 back from the government.

CRA Rules for the Smith Manoeuvre

Canada Revenue Agency (CRA) expects that if you use borrowed money to invest that you will receive some sort of income from your investments. The “income” includes interest, dividends, rent, or royalties. Even if a stock that you purchase does NOT currently pay dividends, as long as they have a reasonable “expectation” of future dividend payments, then it “should” remain deductible.

Although CRA only expects income from your investment portfolio, in 2003, the finance department declared that in order for investment loans to remain deductible, the interest/dividends must produce a profit. That is, the dividends must EXCEED the interest that you are paying on the loan. I know, the finance department and the CRA are on different pages. According to Globe and Mail writer Tim Cestnick, the CRA will generally ignore the finance department rules and accept the tax deduction as long as it produces any income, but check with your tax professional for the latest rules.

I know this much, the companies on our dividend stocks list (which we update quarterly) definitely meet the CRA’s and the finance department’s criteria.

Keep Your HELOC Interest Tax Deductible!

Once you use a loan/line of credit to invest, do NOT withdraw from it unless it is from dividends/interest that the investment produces.

For example, if you use a $10,000 line of credit to invest, achieve a $5,000 capital gain, and subsequently withdraw $5,000 to spend on a vacation, how much of your loan balance is still deductible? $10,000? Nope!

According to Tim Cestnick, since you withdrew 1/3 from your investment loan, only 2/3 of your remaining loan is tax deductible.

This includes Return Of Capital funds/income trusts also!

Technically, as you receive ROC distributions, it will decrease the tax deductibility of the investment loan. This can be avoided by using the ROC to pay down the investment loan, then re-investing if desired. Technically, this “should” be the same as simply leaving the ROC distributions in the investment account (confirm with your accountant). If you invest in dividend stocks, there won’t be any return of capital to worry about, but if you’re invested in REITs (Real Estate Investment Trusts) or various types of ETFs or mutual funds, there is likely to be some return of capital mixed into your returns.

If you gain $300 (or any amount) in dividends though, you can withdraw $300 and spend it as you please. If you’re using an investment loan to perform the Smith Manoeuvre, I would suggest using the dividends to pay down the non-deductible mortgage, so as to further accelerate the conversion to deductible/good debt.

As a side note, many people have written comments about using the investment loan to buy mutual funds with HIGH distributions.  Typically, high distributions include return of capital – which is fine, providing that you NEVER withdraw them. If ROC distributions are withdrawn from the investment account, the tax deductible portion of the loan will be reduced. Only dividends/interest can be withdrawn without any consequence to the investment loan. This makes sense when you consider the principle of “income producing securities” being the key focus, because return of capital is not “income” per se.

Summary:

  • Make sure your investment loan produces income of some sort.
  • ROC distributions are undesirable for leveraged investment accounts as they decrease the tax deductibility of the investment loan. There are ways around this, but it can turn out to be an accounting/paper trail nightmare.
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The Smith Manoeuvre Returns Spreadsheet Calculator

You can download our Smith Manoeuvre Returns Calculator and input your variables to see how the Smith Manoeuvre could work in your specific situation.

Again – it’s worth reiterating that the stock market does not move in a nice linear 8% growth line year-in-and-year-out. When using leverage to invest, it’s key to truly wrap your intellectual arms around what a worst-case short term scenario might look like.

Best Investments for the Smith Manoeuvre

Look – if I knew which investments were going to perform best (whether in your Smith Manoeuvre portfolio or otherwise) I wouldn’t be sharing them for free on the internet. The truth is that I have no idea which specific stocks are going to skyrocket and which will plummet. All I know is how to apply Canada’s tax rules to your Smith Manoeuvre investments (which have to be in a non-registered investment account) and historically, how large groups of stocks have fared over the long term.

However, with that said, when it comes to the Smith Manoeuvre, I have a preference toward purchasing steadily-growing dividend paying stocks. While I still do my own research, I now use Dividend Stocks Rock in order to organize my “watch list” for excellent Canadian dividend opportunities.

Why Dividend Stocks You Ask?

I believe that investing in mostly Canadian dividend-paying stocks is the most efficient way to implement the Smith Manoeuvre. The reason being, is that Canadian dividends of strong companies (like the big banks) have a history of increasing dividends that can be used to pay down the non-deductible mortgage.

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Why not just buy interest bearing bonds or GICs?

Publicly-traded companies that pay dividends in Canada (think “big companies listed on the Toronto Stock Exchange”) are eligible for the enhanced dividend tax credit, which results in a substantial tax break for dividends compared to interest-bearing income like GICs. Plus, the excellent record for these dividend growth stocks simply offers a vastly superior long-term rate of return. Companies like Telus, Enbridge, or RBC are just in such dominant positions within the Canadian market, that their prospects for paying ever-increasing dividends are absolutely excellent.

To summarize, the strong dividend company (if history is any guide), will increase their dividend on a regular basis AND you will receive a tax credit for any dividend income that you receive. Putting the dividend income and the annual tax refund towards the non-deductible mortgage will make the conversion from bad (non-deductible) debt to good (tax-deductible) that much quicker.

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Can I Use ETFs or Robo Advisors to Do the Smith Manoeuvre?

One of the most common questions that I get asked is, “Can I use ETFs when doing the Smith Manoeuvre?” Over the last couple of years, that question has evolved to also include the services of Wealthsimple – that will manage a portfolio of ETFs on your behalf.

The short answer is: yes.

The longer answer is… you might not want to go that route.

Legally speaking, the vast majority of ETFs (and certainly all of the most common ones) meet the CRA’s definition of an income-producing investment.

A person could certainly be successful if they used basic ETFs to create diversified portfolios, using the money from their HELOC. Here’s the two main issues that people run into and why I prefer to use Canadian dividend stocks.

1) Almost any ETF is going to complicate your tax situation.This is due to the fact that the distribution dividends that ETFs reward investors with each year, commonly contain non-ideal forms of income such as foreign bond interest, foreign dividends, and distributed return of capital (which is especially common for ETFs that include REITs).

2) In addition to the tax complication – which can mean several hours of paperwork each year as you track your adjusted cost base and where your income is coming from – ETFs that include these different types of income just aren’t nearly as tax efficient as Canadian dividends in a non-registered account.

If you do decide to go the ETF route, a basic Canadian equities ETF that does not include REITs is probably your best bet.

Personally, many of you know that I’m a huge fan of Canada’s all-in-one ETFs, as well as old school favourites like XAW or VXC. I love the instant diversification that they bring to the table, and how easy they are to recommend to folks. I don’t use them in my Smith Manoeuvre, however.

Instead, I use them in my RRSP and TFSA, as well as in a separate non-registered account (to make the accounting paperwork easier). They are an easy way to diversify away from the large exposure to Canadian dividend-payers that my Smith Manoeuvre account offers.

Using Robo Advisors Like Wealthsimple for a Smith Manoeuvre

Obviously if ETFs legally work for using the Smith Manoeuvre, then so too would a portfolio of ETFs managed by a robo advisor such as Wealthsimple.

That said, I actually email-interviewed their portfolio management team in order to confirm that there was nothing that I had overlooked. They responded that not only was it fully within the CRA rules to run a tax-deductible loan through a robo advisor account, but that the annual fee that you would pay to Wealthsimple would be tax deductible as well. Additionally, they mentioned that investing through a Wealthsimple non-registered account would allow the client to take advantage of tax-loss harvesting, and that they would track the book costs – greatly aiding in the overall paperwork battle that can be the main drawback to using ETFs.

Naturally the same drawbacks would apply with Wealthsimple’s ETF portfolios, as with the ETFs we covered above, as far as tax treatment for foreign dividends or bond interest. You would also have to factor in the tax-deductible fees that Wealthsimple would charge for their services.

Overall, I like the idea of getting help on the paperwork side of things AND using the Smith Manoeuvre would allow you to get all of the benefits of Wealthsimple’s VIP levels – which you can read about here in our full Wealthsimple Review. This could lower the fees that you already pay if you use Wealthsimple for your RRSP, TFSA, and/or RESP.

That said, I’m still partial to the simplicity of going with my Canadian dividend strategy.

Investing in Your RRSP and TFSA vs The Smith Manoeuvre

One of the common arguments that I see online, is that maxing out your RRSP plus TFSA – and investing for the long term – will outperform the Smith Manoeuvre.

I will agree with the basic math behind the statement that due to the fact that your RRSP and TFSA can grow tax free where the Smith Manoeuvre, even with tax deductible interest, is taxed on the dividends and capital gains.

However, I don’t believe the Smith Manoeuvre is a replacement for your RRSP and TFSA, but a replacement for your non-registered portfolio.

The optimal strategy would be to maximize your RRSP and TFSA, then if you have any money left over, pay down the mortgage, which in turn would increase your HELOC balance. Take the money from the increased HELOC balance and put it into stable dividend-paying blue chips.

Always remember that there is an increased risk involved with leveraging your investments, so before you attempt any of this on your own, you better be pretty darn comfortable with investing. Either that, or find a good financial planner to put you in tax efficient, low-cost ETFs.

Be aware that apart from the leverage/risk/sleeping-well-at-night element, success depends on the equation (market returns)-(investment costs)-(interest)-(taxes on inv earnings)+(interest tax deduction). This is the underlying equation (with some added optimizers) that we based our Smith Manoeuvre Calculator on.

The fact that the interest tax deduction is at your marginal income tax rate, while taxes on the actual investment earnings are likely lower (cap gains and dividends), juices returns a bit through tax arbitrage. Over a full economic cycle (market returns)-(interest) is positive, but there is no guarantee of a large difference between what your investments will earn and the interest that you’ll owe. This reality means that having the nerves of steel to not tinker – as well as low investment costs to not fritter away the positive spread – are crucial.

The other key factor when looking at the Smith Manoeuvre vs TFSA + RRSP debate is that most people who look into this strategy won’t be doing so from a “dead stand still” as they look ahead at the next 50+ years. Most folks will be somewhere midway along their financial journey’s path, and will likely own a home. Allowing folks to move their equity from the relatively low traditional returns on real estate (despite what some in the GTA might have you believe) to relatively high traditional returns in equities, can make a massive difference. Take a look at the math behind my personal $700,000 example that I originally used for more evidence. Consequently, it’s not a “vs” argument, but more of a “yes, and” agreement.

Arguments Against the Smith Manoeuvre

A common argument that I sometimes see is that paying off your mortgage, and then investing in a non-registered portfolio will outperform the Smith Manoeuvre.

The math involved with that argument just doesn’t make sense. When implementing the Smith Manoeuvre you are paying down your mortgage at an accelerated rate AND investing in a non-registered portfolio at the same time. Time and compounded returns should make the difference. Not only is there more time in the market for your investments to compound, you pay NOTHING out of pocket to maintain your HELOC. You simply withdraw the interest owed monthly from your HELOC and re-deposit it. (Aka “capitalizing the interest”)

The only issue is that in order to make the Smith Manoeuvre work, you’ll have to reach an investment return that is greater than the interest that you are charged. For example, if a HELOC charges 6% and you’re in a 40% tax bracket, then your effective interest is 3.6% after your tax deduction. North American stock markets have averaged 10%+ over the last 100+ years, but I used 8% in my personal calculations. In any case, it should be much higher (long-term) than 3.6%.

If you have a non-registered portfolio before you start the Smith Manoeuvre, all the better! Sell your investments, and pay down your mortgage, then re-borrow and re-purchase the stocks again! Now you have a head start in paying off your non-deductible mortgage AND you can use the HELOC funds to repurchase your investments. This is actually the perfect example of why the math is on your side when using the Smith Manoeuvre.

Another common argument against the Smith Manoeuvre is that there is simply too much risk in “gambling” your home in the stock market.

Dealing With Cashflow Problems on the Smith Manoeuvre

A big question that I get is what about making the HELOC payments? Wouldn’t that crimp your cash flow? To get around this cash flow problem you can “capitalize the interest”. Essentially, this is where you use a loan to make the loan interest-only payments. In this case, you can use the existing HELOC to make the HELOC payments. Confusing? It’s not as bad as it sounds.

For those of you new to this strategy, capitalizing on the interest is one of the bonuses of this strategy. It’s where you use the investment loan to pay for the interest owed, and everything remains tax deductible. As funny as that sounds, the rule is if you take out a loan (we’ll call it loan A) to pay for the investment loan (HELOC) tax deductible interest, then loan A interest is also tax deductible. So technically, if I use the HELOC balance to pay for the HELOC interest, then the entire HELOC balance should remain tax deductible. I utilize this strategy as it allows me to have an investment loan without actually using any of my own cash flow to service the loan interest.

The easiest way is to have your HELOC interest automatically deducted from your chequing account monthly. Then do a transfer for the same amount from your HELOC to repay your chequing account. I would also recommend having a dedicated chequing account for this strategy in case CRA comes knocking on the door for your records. At least that’s the way that I have it setup. And yes, I would recommend against maxing out the HELOC as you’ll need the space to pay for the interest incurred.

If you are capitalizing the interest though, isn’t there a point where you run out of HELOC space (credit available)? The answer is yes! This brings us to our next point below.

Running Out of HELOC Space With the Smith Manoeuvre

If your instalment mortgage is paid off, and you are using the HELOC to pay for itself, your HELOC balance will continually increase. The question is, are you comfortable with a maxed out HELOC? Note that a large HELOC may impact your credit score as you may be borrowing a large amount of your overall credit available.

Personally, I have seen the impact with my Equifax scores but not so much Transunion. You can likely check your credit score for free with your bank. If your bank doesn’t offer the service, here are some other free ways to check your credit score and report. You can also get your credit score (Equifax) for free with Borrowell.

Let’s take a look at an example. Say an initial loan of $100k from a HELOC with an interest rate of 4% and a credit limit of $250k.  Providing that there are no more transfers from the HELOC to the portfolio, how many years will it take for the HELOC to be maxed out? 24 years! Check out the table below.

YearBalance
1$100,000.00
2$104,000.00
3$108,160.00
4$112,486.40
5$116,985.86
6$121,665.29
7$126,531.90
8$131,593.18
9$136,856.91
10$142,331.18
11$148,024.43
12$153,945.41
13$160,103.22
14$166,507.35
15$173,167.64
16$180,094.35
17$187,298.12
18$194,790.05
19$202,581.65
20$210,684.92
21$219,112.31
22$227,876.81
23$236,991.88
24$246,471.55
25$256,330.42

Let’s take a look at a personal example that I wrote about my own HELOC a few years ago. At that point, the balance was about $140k with 4% interest and a credit limit of about $215k. If we were to have capitalized the interest right up until my credit limit, I could have done that for about 12 years.

YearBalance
1$140,000.00
2$145,600.00
3$151,424.00
4$157,480.96
5$163,780.20
6$170,331.41
7$177,144.66
8$184,230.45
9$191,599.67
10$199,263.65
11$207,234.20
12$215,523.57

To mitigate against the HELOC balance from getting too large, you could simply make the payments out of your own cash flow and/or you use the dividends generated from your investments to pay down the loan.

At that point in time, my Smith Manoeuvre portfolio generates about $7,800/year in dividends. If I were to have withdrawn those dividends right onto the investment loan (and to keep things simple, let’s assume that interest rates stayed the same AND that there was no dividend growth – which obviously was NOT as good as the situation I’ve enjoyed over the last few years).

YearBalanceDeposit
1$140,000.00$0.00
2$145,600.00$7,800.00
3$143,312.00$7,800.00
4$140,932.48$7,800.00
5$138,457.78$7,800.00
6$135,884.09$7,800.00
7$133,207.45$7,800.00
8$130,423.75$7,800.00
9$127,528.70$7,800.00
10$124,517.85$7,800.00
11$121,386.56$7,800.00
12$118,130.03$7,800.00
13$114,743.23$7,800.00
14$111,220.96$7,800.00
15$107,557.80$7,800.00
16$103,748.11$7,800.00
17$99,786.03$7,800.00
18$95,665.47$7,800.00
19$91,380.09$7,800.00
20$86,923.30$7,800.00
21$82,288.23$7,800.00
22$77,467.76$7,800.00
23$72,454.47$7,800.00
24$67,240.65$7,800.00
25$61,818.27$7,800.00
26$56,179.00$7,800.00
27$50,314.16$7,800.00
28$44,214.73$7,800.00
29$37,871.32$7,800.00
30$31,274.17$7,800.00
31$24,413.14$7,800.00
32$17,277.66$7,800.00
33$9,856.77$7,800.00
34$2,139.04$7,800.00
35-$5,887.40$7,800.00

As you can see from the table above, using the dividends from the portfolio would result in paying off the HELOC entirely by about 35 years (at least in this scenario – it’s faster if you count the tax deduction).

The main takeaway here is that you should plan on capitalizing on the interest on your investment loan, take note that you will eventually run out of HELOC space unless you plan on: refinancing; paying it off using dividends; and/or using your own cash flow.

Capitalizing the Interest on the Smith Manoeuvre With the Rempel Maximum 

Ed Rempel, a certified financial planner (CFP) and accountant, has been a regular comment contributor to the Smith Manoeuvre articles on this blog. He has come up with a twist to the Smith Manoeuvre strategy that maximizes the tax and investment return on your leveraged portfolio.

He calls this strategy “The Rempel Maximum“.

Please check out the two interviews on the Smith Manoeuvre – which my staff writer Kyle Prevost recorded over the last couple of years at the Canadian Financial Summit with Ed.

How Exactly Does “The Rempel Maximum” Work?

The “Rempel Maximum” is a variation of the Smith Manoeuvre that maximizes both your tax and potential portfolio return while using $0 of your own cash flow. When you use the Smith Manoeuvre, you will get a small increase in your HELOC balance as you pay down your mortgage which is then used to invest.

With the Rempel Maximum, instead of using the small increase to invest, you use the increase to fund your investment loan/HELOC. This may result in obtaining an additional investment loan depending on the size of your principle payment. More on this below.

This way, you get the tax deduction from the HELOC along with the tax deduction from the investment loan. Canadian tax rules state that you can deduct the interest from a loan that supports an investment loan.

On top of that, you’ll have a large balance to work with initially to take advantage of compounding returns and time.

How Do I Implement the Rempel Maximum?

You’re probably wondering how large of an investment loan can you obtain? According to Ed Rempel:

For example, if your mortgage payment pays $500/month of principle ($6,000/year), you divide the $6,000 by the interest rate (say 6%), which gives you $100,000. You increase the credit line limit on your readvanceable mortgage to 80% of your home value, which is often done for free at the major banks. Then you borrow and invest up to the credit line limit. If there is less than $100,000 available, then you finance the rest from an investment loan.

Based on the above example, the banks will give you [principle payment/interest] as your maximum investment loan including your HELOC. Depending on how much equity you have in your home, you could end up with a fairly large investment loan.

What Are the Risks Involved With the Rempel Maximum?

This strategy uses the maximum leverage available to you based on your principle payments, or how much your credit line is readvanced with every payment. Needless to say, the investor must be aggressive, comfortable with risk, and experienced with investing.

As you already know, leverage amplifies your returns, good or bad.

Below is an example from Ed Rempel:

You have a home worth $400,000 and a mortgage of $200,000 at 5% interest (Editor’s Note: Can you tell we worked through this example a few years ago!) and are paying $1,169/month (25-year amortization). You can re-borrow at a rate of 6%, the investments average a 10% long-term return, and you are in a 40% tax bracket.

Each mortgage payment pays down $336 of principle x 12 months/ 6% = $67,200.

Since you have more than the $67,200 in available credit on your Smith Manoeuvre credit line, you can borrow this $67,200 to invest.

The interest payment is $336/month – which can be paid entirely from the Smith Manoeuvre credit line each month.

The additional benefit of the Rempel Maximum over the “plain vanilla Smith Manoeuvre”?

After 25 years of regular Smith Manoeuvre: $410,000

After 25 years of the Rempel Maximum Smith Manoeuvre: $718,000

That’s over $300,000 in difference over 25 years! The craziest part is that if you use the Smith Manoeuvre and the rules around borrowing to invest in Canada to your advantage, this $300,000 difference would compound over the next 25 years (assuming you never paid the loans back, and just kept making interest payments).

Who Should Use the Rempel Maximum Smith Manoeuvre?

There are 3 criteria that a person should consider before implementing this strategy:

  1. The investor must be experienced and comfortable with risk.
  2. The Rempel Maximum works best if your initial HELOC balance is small. ie. Someone who is just starting the Smith Manoeuvre with a little over 25% in equity.
  3. The investor must be in this for the long-term (think 25+ years).

Summary:

The Rempel Maximum is a way to maximize the potential returns from implementing the Smith Manoeuvre through the additional tax deduction and increased leverage. This can be an extremely powerful and lucrative strategy if used properly over the long term.

If you are considering using this strategy twist to the Smith Manoeuvre, make sure that you are comfortable with the maximum leverage applied to your portfolio.

I’ve Paid Off My Mortgage – Should I Stop the Smith Manoeuvre?

Another common set of questions that I get revolved around, “What if I’ve paid off my non-deductible mortgage while implementing the Smith Manoeuvre? Now what?”

What do I do with the large remaining investment loan?

How do I arrive at this situation?

There will come a point where the non-deductible mortgage gets paid off completely and the investor is left with a large line of credit (of tax-deductible “good debt”) which is invested in the market.

Besides jumping up and down in celebration, there are a few options once the non-deductible mortgage is paid off:

  1. Keep the investment loan forever. This is the main strategy if you follow the Smith Manoeuvre to a tee. The rationale is to keep collecting the tax deductions for the remainder of your life.
  2. Pay off the investment loan completely over time. The opposite of the above is to start paying off the investment loan once the non-deductible mortgage is wiped out. Basically, the investor here would apply the old mortgage payments toward the HELOC. The tax deduction would still apply, however at a reduced amount every year as the HELOC balance reduces.  I’m more in favour of this option, or the one below, as I’m not sure I would be comfortable having a large looming debt during retirement. Even if it’s good debt.
  3. Pay off a portion of the investment loan. This is a hybrid of the above strategy where the investor would pay down the investment loan to a point where they are comfortable with the monthly payments. The investor can decide how much per month they can afford to pay indefinitely and pay down the balance accordingly. Of course, the investor would have to account for higher inflation years as it would affect his or her monthly line of credit servicing costs.

The three answers above are all correct, it’s up to the investor to decide how much risk they can allow in their portfolio and still sleep well at night..

Record Keeping for Your Dividend Stocks as You Do the Smith Manoeuvre

The process of saving and investing can be a rewarding experience.  However, when it comes to taxes and reporting your investment returns to the CRA, the experience can be frustrating.

If you have used the Smith Manoeuvre to exchange your non-deductible mortgage interest for tax-deductible investment loan interest, you may be wondering how to report that interest expense on your tax return.

Filing Your Smith Manoeuvre Tax Return

When it comes to personal finance, proper record keeping ensures that you can track progress towards your goals. When it comes to income tax, proper record keeping can help avoid the denial of a deduction and incur interest and penalties.

When you file your tax returns, you are not required to submit any documentation to the CRA to prove your claim for interest expenses. However, you must keep adequate records to support your claim in case the CRA asks to see them.

You must be able to show that the funds withdrawn from your line of credit were used to purchase investments. You can show this link by attaching a cancelled cheque from your line of credit to your brokerage statement or attach your bank statement showing the funds transfer from your line of credit to your brokerage account.

You also need to support your interest expense calculations. Attach copies of your line of credit statements along with a cover sheet showing your calculations to your income tax return. This is why I personally recommend keeping your HELOC account as 100% Smith Manoeuvre funds. If you begin using that HELOC account to fund other purchases, the record-keeping can get easily muddled.

Maintaining proper records will ensure that you can quickly access your records and prove your claim at any time.

Personal Use of Funds

When you borrow to invest in income producing properties, the interest you pay is tax deductible. However, interest used for personal purposes is not tax deductible.

It is important to ensure that when you use your line of credit to invest, that you avoid using it for personal purchases. Using your line of credit for personal purchases could result in your deduction being denied unless you can conclusively link the proportion of the line of credit to your investments.

It can be difficult to determine the proper proportion if there are a number of personal purchases on your line of credit. There is also a greater possibility for error. It is advisable that you use a second line of credit for personal purchases…or better yet, use cash!

Reporting Your Tax Return

So, you have assembled your bank statements and calculated your interest expense and now you are ready to claim the deductions on your tax return.

The deduction for interest paid on your investment loan is reported as “Interest Expenses” on Schedule 4 Part IV Line 221. The description should be “Investment Loan.” The total amount reported on Line 221 of Schedule 4 is then recorded on Line 221 of the T1 Income tax and Benefit Return.

And that is it!

If you are unsure of what you can claim or what you can deduct, it is advisable that you speak with a tax professional.

Smith Manoeuvre Checklist

While the benefits of the Smith Manoeuvre are definitely attractive, it is not something that you want to “try out” to see if it’s right for you. Instead, it’s a long-term commitment to use a proven leveraged-investment strategy, through both good markets and bad.

To help you with the decision, here is a checklist of things to consider before diving in:

  • Do you already have the 20% down/equity in your home, to avoid the CMHC insurance?
  • Can you handle,and are you willing to deal with the challenges of using leveraged investing?
  • Is your RRSP and TFSA maxed out? This technique shines the most when done using your non-registered (taxable) accounts.
  • Are you willing to accurately track your transactions in case you get audited by CRA? The benefits to the Smith Manoeuvre are clear, but are you willing to do that extra bit of tracking to ensure that it is done properly?
  • Do you have a plan ‘B’ in the case that you need to move and home values have gone down? If you invested properly, your portfolio should at LEAST cover your loan.

Smith Manoeuvre Frequently Asked Questions

How Is a Person Supposed to Pay for Both the Mortgage AND the HELOC at the Same Time?

This is probably amongst the biggest concerns people have had, as the borrower will be responsible for BOTH payments while implementing the Smith Manoeuvre. This includes your primary mortgage (principle + interest) along with your HELOC (interest only). Seems a bit steep, hey? Say you get a $100k HELOC @ 4.45%, that’s an extra $371/month on top of your existing mortgage payment.

After talking to both Fraser Smith and Ed Rempel about this issue, I’m convinced that capitalizing the interest on the HELOC is the best option!

Scratching your head yet?

If you re-read our section on capitalizing the interest you’ll see that it basically means withdrawing the monthly interest due from the HELOC account, and redepositing the amount as the interest payment.

If you capitalize the interest, you will never make the extra interest payments out of your own pocket while your primary mortgage exists.

You will only start paying the HELOC interest out of pocket/cashflow when the primary non-deductible mortgage is paid off. So as you can see, using the Smith Manoeuvre, you will always have a payment. It never goes away. However, the payments are now tax deductible.

Why Would You Need 20% Down on Your House to Start the Smith Manoeuvre?

The reason is that most of the readvanceable mortgages out there REQUIRE 20% down. The mortgages that do NOT require 20% down will charge an extra CMHC fee.

Which Spouse Should Claim the Investment Loan?

When you are a couple, what is the best strategy for getting the best tax return from the interest paid on the HELOC used to buy investments?

The answer is that it really depends on the financial situation of the couple, and all the variables that your particular scenario entails – but, let’s look at the different components of this question:

Does it matter whose name the investments are purchased under or should they be under both names?

Typically, whoever funds the investment account is responsible for the taxation on the account. However, investment loans are different. You can have both spouses on the “title” of the investment loan (ie. HELOC), but it’s the name (the one who submits their SIN) on the investment account who gets taxed (and obtains the right to claim the tax deduction).

With that said, providing that you purchase tax efficient investments, it would be optimal to keep the investments in the name of the higher-income spouse.

It makes sense to claim the investment income under both spouses if both spouses are in the same tax bracket. This would help in future years when income splitting is a concern.

According to Ed Rempel, although you can have both names under one investment account, you can choose who to charge the investment income. As long as you keep the deduction consistent through the years, this shouldn’t pose a problem.

Does it matter who owns the HELOC or if it is jointly owned?

As mentioned above, if the HELOC is jointly owned, you can put the money into an investment account of either spouse, or a joint account.

If the HELOC is under both names, does the tax deduction for the interest paid get split between the two people?

Again, it doesn’t matter if the HELOC is under both names, what matters is the name on the account that is investing the money.  The owner of the account investing the money, is the owner of the tax deduction and tax liability.

Conclusion:

Be sure to claim the investment loan under the spouse with the highest income. If both spouses have similar rates, then invest under both names.

Please remember that I am not a tax professional, so consult an accountant before following any taxation advice you find here.

Does it matter who owns the HELOC or if it is jointly owned?

As mentioned above, if the HELOC is jointly owned, you can put the money into an investment account of either spouse, or a joint account.

Is a Leveraged RRSP Better than a Smith Manoeuvre?

We received a reader question about the strategy of borrowing to invest in an RRSP instead of a non-registered portfolio (like the Smith Manoeuvre):

“I have a readvanceable mortgage, but why shouldn’t I just use my RRSP instead of investing in a non-registered account? Wouldn’t it make sense to use that space first? Simply take my equity out as I pay my mortgage (like I’m about to do the Smith Manoeuvre) but instead invest inside my RRSP. Then get my tax refund back, put that on the mortgage, withdraw the equity on the other side again, and continue that process?”

Now I realize that in the scenario I just layed out, I would not receive the interest deduction that you would receive for a non-registered investment, but instead would receive the normal return that an RRSP would receive. As far as I can figure, the effect would be receiving a large tax refund in the present (by using RRSP) and smaller in the future, versus a normal Smith Manoeuvre  where you receive a very small refund at first, and larger in the future (on a continual basis I realize until the loan is paid).

To begin, let’s go over the tax rules, as well as the benefits & disadvantages of each strategy.

Leveraged RRSP:

  • Tax refund on the contribution – thus a larger tax return to put on mortgage.
  • Investment loan is NOT tax deductible.
  • All withdrawals from the RRSP are taxed at the marginal tax rate when you eventually retire.

Leveraged Non-Registered Portfolio:

  • Tax refund based on the interest to service the investment loan. Depending on the current interest rates, this can fluctuate. This tax deduction is small initially but will grow over time as the investment loan grows.
  • Withdrawals are very tax efficient from a non-registered portfolio. Only 50% of capital gains are added to income, and dividends can be extremely tax efficient depending on the amount of other income during the year.

Having explained the tax rules, our Smith Manoeuvre Calculator can be used to compare both strategies. This is the scenario and conclusions that we arrived at:

Instead of borrowing home equity as it accumulates to invest in a non-registered portfolio, borrow to invest in an RRSP, and apply the full refund to the mortgage. This uses a readvanceable mortgage so there is a lot of flexibility to do this as each payment is applied.

So, the tweaked Smith Manoeuvre Calculator found that:

Inputs:

  • $300,000 House Value
  • $240,000 Mortgage @ 5%
  • $1,395.85 monthly payments amortized over 25 years
  • 8% investment growth rate
  • 5.75% HELOC rate
  • Marginal Tax Rate of 46.41%

It should be noted that higher Marginal Tax Rates at the time of contributing to the RRSP make the case for investing in an RRSP more favourable when compared to the ‘traditional’ Smith Manoeuvre.

Here are the outputs:

With Smith Manoeuvre: 

  • Mtg is retired in 21 years
  • $240k HELOC that is TAX DEDUCTIBLE
  • Investment portfolio of $304,142 that is NON-REGISTERED
  • Adjusted cost base (not including commissions) of $138,516

With RRSP:

  • Mtg is retired in 18.25 years. Therefore, run the scenario until 21 years still making ‘mortgage payments’ but the money now goes to paying the HELOC interest and anything left goes into RRSP.
  • $240k HELOC that is NOT TAX DEDUCTIBLE
  • Investment portfolio of $395,143 that is in an RRSP

Assuming the same MTR as used above, the net of it is whether a $240k LOC that costs $13,800 after tax to service annually and a fully taxable portfolio of $395k (that would be worth $212k if cashed out all at once) is better than having a $240k LOC that costs $7,650 after tax to service annually and a $304k portfolio (that would be worth about $265k if cashed out all at once).

If, however, your MTR is lower when you cash out (e.g. < 30%), then the advantage swings to the RRSP investment – especially if you can get rid of the HELOC quickly.

The basic conclusion is that the higher your marginal tax rate AND the larger the difference between the cost of the mortgage/HELOC and your investment growth rate, the better it looks for the RRSP.

All in all, I don’t see sufficient evidence to suggest that the Smith Manoeuvre/RRSP hybrid can reasonably be expected to outperform a traditional Smith Manoeuvre as long as tax efficient investing is used for the traditional Smith Manoeuvre. That is based on these facts:

  1. At the end of the 21-year period, the traditional Smith Manoeuvre has a HELOC with tax deductible interest payments where the SM-RRSP hybrid has no tax benefit. This will become more important the longer an investor hangs on to the tax-deductible investment loan.
  2. The RRSP will have significant tax consequences as one withdraws funds from it. The SM’s non-registered portfolio, although smaller, will have substantially less tax liability on withdrawals.
  3. A >4% difference between the long term mortgage rate and investment performance over 25 years is uncommon in Canada.
  4. Many folks just won’t have the room in their RRSP in order to keep their entire Smith Manoeuvre investment portfolio running through it – so that adds another layer of complexity as you’d now have a non-registered SM portfolio, and an RRSP SM portfolio.

The Smith Manoeuvre During a Market Crash

[Editor’s Note: I thought that this article I wrote during the last financial crises was especially pertinent at the moment.]

Below is an archived article from this blog which was written during the 2008 financial crisis. It’s a good reality check of what happens in the markets, and how heavy the losses can be, especially with a leveraged portfolio. Think of it as a way to test yourself to see if you have the right temperament for the Smith Manoeuvre.

Originally Published: October 9, 2008

There has been much concern over the viability of the Smith Manoeuvre or a leveraged investment strategy during this recent bear market. The main concerns are due to a couple of reasons:

1) Sinking equities

2) The possible increase of variable rates due to the credit crunch.

The truth of the matter is that leveraged investing is risky in the short term. My investment account is facing the relatively risky equity market along with building interest on the capital that supports it. The opportunity for the account to grow at an accelerated rate is great, but so is the opportunity for values to drop.

With current market conditions, it’s a gut check to see who can really take the leveraged investing heat. With the possibility of HELOC (home equity line of credit) rates, which are traditionally at prime, to increase above prime, it will make this strategy even more expensive.

However, with a slow economy, the prime lending rates will most likely decrease even further, which will hopefully even out any increases. With that said, the Smith Manoeuvre strategy is still a valid option, just with one less readvanceable mortgage available along with the potential with higher HELOC rates.

What am I doing with my leveraged portfolio during this correction?  Even with the extreme fear in the streets, I have my eye on the big picture and my long investment timeline. Therefore, I’m sticking to the plan, watching the best dividend paying stocks and waiting to deploy some cash when they appear cheap. I’ve said this before, and I’ll say it again, these market corrections are temporary and should be viewed as an opportunity to buy cheap equities for the long term. It may take a while (even years) for the markets to bounce back, but if you buy cheap, you’ll take full advantage of the upcoming recovery.

Conclusion

After using the Smith Manoevure for more than a decade, I’m still going strong. I’ve enjoyed hundreds of thousands of dollars in growth over the last few years (even including the recent downturn), and used those ever-increasing dividends plus tax refunds, to chop down my mortgage much quicker than the average Canadian.

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Jay Day
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Good insights. A few questions. First do any investment vehicles qualify. I have seen some guaranteed investments paying 8.75%. Second does the interest paid on the HELOC count as a tax break every year. Lastly, my home is worth approx. 350k and the mortgage is about 230k, how much can I get without CMHC calling and how much and how do I get the Remp max. Thanks

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Ed Rempel
13 years ago

Team Wealth Builder (see post 19) had a post from Danmorel explaining a version of the SM described by his financial advisor. It is exactly the version that concerns me. Here is my reply:

Hi Danmorel,

You are not being told the whole story. If you have the dividend pay out the distribution and pay it onto your mortgage, then your investment loan slowly becomes NON-deductible. This is because the disribution paid by the dividend fund is not profit, but the amount of your own money they are paying back each month. If you borrow to invest but then take your money back out of the investments (with distributions), then the investment loan is no longer deductible.

Based on your figures, this is about a 12.5% distribution, which would mean in 8 years you have received 100% back – so zero of your investment loan interest is deductible.

If you do this strategy and get audited by CRA – you will lose. Most or all or your tax deductions will be denied – and you will have to pay back the tax plus interest and penalties.

I would suggest reading the book, Danmorel. To do the Smith Manoeuvre properly, you can pay for any leverage by reborrowing the principal you pay down with each mortgage payment. Therefore, you don’t need to destroy all your tax deductions by taking distributions out of the investments.

My suggestion is to have all of your distributions automatically reinvested (not paid out). This also means you can buy the best funds with the best risk/return profile – instead of any old fund chosen because it pays an unsustainably high distribution (dividend) each month.

If your advisor doesn’t agree, insist that he do your tax return and put his name on it. We do returns for no charge for all clients to make sure they get the full tax refund from the Smith Manoeuvre. I believe any SM advisor should stand behind their advice. This way, when you lose on your audit, you can sue him for your tax cost and penalties.

Sorry to break the news to you, Danmorel. If you implement the Smith Manoeuvre properly, it is an exeptional strategy, though.

Bloodline, we have implemented the SM for hundreds of clients, almost all of which have zero distributions taken from their funds. We find that the actual benefit is usually higher than projected in the book or the SM software because you can reappraise your home every year or 2 (for no charge) and increase your leverage beyond the Plain Jane Smith Manoeuvre. There are also a variety of variations to enhance your benefit (without reducing your tax deductions) and you can also save more money by refinancing all your debts while you get the right mortgage from the right bank for the SM.

You are probably referring to the IA Clarington Canadian Dividend fund. It is often recommended by financial advisors for its very high (probably unsustainable) distribution. It is a 1-star Morningstar Canadian equity fund. As a below average Canadian equity fund, you should only expect long term returns of about 8%.

Since the fund pays you 12.5% of your own money back each year, you should expect the fund to decline steadily. If they don’t reduce their distribution, then projecting the fund grows by 8%/year and pays out $12,500/year, it will be down to zero in 12.3 years.

In the illustration you were shown, did it look like the 12.5% distribution was the annual return of the fund?

Ed

Jay Day
13 years ago

frugal trader,

a couple more questions:

firstly i noticed a few times that people have mentioned that the RBC homeline plan can accomodate the SM, but after speaking with an advisor there she stated that RBC will not allow u to capitalize the interest. Just wondering whether she is misinformed and is anybody employing that mortgage product for the SM.

Secondly I noticed ED mentioned that taking a distribution from your SM investment and not paying it down on the loan(is he refering to the mortgage debt?) will in turn cause part of the interest on the loan to become non-tax deductible. Is he just speaking of capital gains or monthly distributions of preferred investments (that you state could be part of your plan) as well.

Ed Rempel
13 years ago

Hi Jay,

RBC Homeline is one of the better mortgages for the SM. None of them will automatically capitalize the interest. This is one manual transaction you will need to do each month. It is called “guerilla capitalization”.

If you take any NON-taxable distribution (return of capital) and don’t pay it entirely onto the tax deductible loan, then the interest on part of that loan is no longer deductible. This is because a ROC distribution is just taking back some of your own money (so it is no longer invested).

If you receive any TAXABLE distributions (capital gains or dividends), you can do what you want with them without affecting the interest tax deductibility – including paying it onto your mortgage.

We have found with many scenarios, however, that it is rarely beneficial to pay tax sooner. Trying to defer tax as long as possible helps you get the compound growth that gives you the largest gains from the SM.

Ed

Jay Day
13 years ago

thanks for getting back so fast. a couple of follow up questions.

With the manual capitalization you say to withdraw from your chequing and then withdraw the same amount from your heloc. But if you just maxed your heloc at say 50K and your interest cost is $300(just for examples sake) are you not going over your maximum amount of your heloc. Assuming this is ok, are you now earning tax deductable interest on 50,300 and so on each month etc, etc.

Secondly, and no offense Ed but I like frugal’s idea of getting a portfolio and banging away at the mortgage principal even though you advise to maximize compound growth potential. The question being, how can you tell (from globe investor’s site,) which funds are taxable distributions and which are not. For example the Renaissance Canadian monthly income fund paid a .0625 monthly income dividend and a 1.7298 capital gain. Is this example taxable distributions. Also for info sake, globe says it is returning 15.78% over 5 years. Is that with the monthly and annual payouts being kept in the fund or is it appreciation only.

Jay Day
13 years ago

Frugal,

I understand how the Rempel works but not how you can capitalize the interest, to keep your cash flow even. If you take out your maximum for the SM (350k @ 80% less 230k) 50K, where does that leave you for the capitalization. Do the banks allow you to go over each month when you first pay the interest on the loan then withdraw it again to keep the cash flow even. Also with the SM you will want to increase the amount borrowed by the amount of principle paid each month not service the loan. Just having trouble wrapping my head around that hurdle. The book is on its way they were back ordered at Chapters.

Ed Rempel
13 years ago

Hi Jay,

Almost all funds that pay a fixed distribution have ROC in the distributions. This is because funds will EITHER payout whatever taxable income they have or they will pay out a fixed amount that is usually higher.

The Renaissance fund you mentioned is one of the few exceptions. All of those distributions are taxable. The fund pays a 7% distribution, but you would have been taxed on 23% over the last year. This is very high, considering the fund only made 5%! Where do you find these examples, Jay?

I don’t believe Globefund details the tax cost. We have it in a database, but you might have to call the fund company to get it.

It sounds to me like you do not have a readvanceable mortgage, Jay. If you have one, then the credit limit on the credit line increases after every mortgage payment.

To capitalize the interest, you pay it, but then immediately withdraw the exact same amount from your credit line. In effect, the credit line pays its own interest. None of the banks will do this automatically, so it needs to be done manually.

If you want to pay your taxable income onto your mortgage to pay it off more quickly, try doing the math on an example. We have found that NOT paying tax by compounding all the growth means the mortgage takes a bit longer to pay off, but the additional growth is far more than the extra you would pay down on your mortgage.

Are you trying to build wealth, or do you just want to pay your mortgage off? What will you do with your extra cash flow once the mortgage is paid off?

Ed

Jay Day
13 years ago

Ed

I was just using this fund as an example to help get some clarification on these types of funds. With this fund for example what do those figures mean tax wise for and investment of say 20k at year end with a marginal tax rate of say 40% in the province of NS(appox.). My credit does go up each month as my mortgage goes down. What I don’t quite grasp is how if I take my maximum SM available, 50k how do i have room at the end of month one to capitalize the interest. My understanding so far is this. ex. 50k + month one interest $300(just for example). Take out $300 from chequing pay interest payment. Then withdraw $300 from HELOC to put back in chequing account. Zero cash flow change but now HELOC is $50300. Since I made a mortgage payment my HELOC has gone up by (say 300), but how can I re-invest this amount, which is one of the principles of the SM if I have to use this increase to service the loan. I must be missing something, if you could relate an example with numbers that would be great.
I am also not disbuting your figures that show not paying off your mortgage with taxable gains is better in the long run but, as I said I am trying to have a little of both. Build wealth and pay down the mortgage faster. All without a change in cash flow. It still seems quite sound to me (as well as FT, unless you changed his mind) that paying down the mortgage with tax refunds AND preferred tax investments, then reinvesting this amount into your SM is a viable way to build and turn bad debt into good in a timely fashion. Yes you may not have as big an egg going this way as opposed to yours but I feel good in the fact that I can knock years of the mortgage and still build a sizable portfolio.
Once the mortgage is paid off I try and keep the investment loan for tax purposes, and I want to go the the WSOP. Just kidding about the poker but it would be a good time, I will probably invest fairly aggressively for returns and get ready to enjoy an early retirement. Early for me is 56.

Jay Day
13 years ago

Also keep in mind I haven’t read the book yet (still waiting for it to come in) so all I have to go is what I have read from here.

Thanks for your help

Jay Day

Jay Day
13 years ago

Thanks FT

So you don’t use your principle to re-invest but to pay off the interest portion of the debt? Sorry if it seems redundant, or that I’m slow but this sounds closer to the Rempel Max than the SM. However capitalizing works it seems like that would free you to invest the entire principle increase in new investments and in turn increase your SM and taxable benefit. Number example are good for me if possible.

Have you started your SM yet? Your comments are very useful and the story is great. One other thing, short of reading prospectus all the time is there any other way (meaning easier) to find good income paying tax preferred funds that allow you to do what you and probably myself want to do with the SM.

Thanks again

Jay Day

Jay Day
13 years ago

I think I see now. Where you explained it at the top of this blog it says “so with every regular mortgage payment you will invest the new money in your HELOC.” This new investment amount must mean princible less interest cost. This is the amount your good debt goes up each month, not the full amount. Is that where I was going wrong? I see in other comments that some were saying to simply pay the interest cost from your chequing account and then simply take that amount back out of your HELOC to pay back into your chequing account.

thanks

Jay Day
13 years ago

FT

For simplicity sake, these numbers are examples only, (I still need to look at the exact amount of the principle) if my interest on the heloc is say 250 and principle on mortgage is 300, you are saying you are only going to pay off the 250 and not increase your portfolio. Are you just going to wait until year end and increase your investments with your tax refund and income dividends paid on your mortgage then withdrawn to increase heloc. Have you considered the advantages of dollar cost averaging?
Just wondering about the strategy?

thanks

Jay Day

Julie
13 years ago

Hi FT,
Thanks for the great blog.

I bought a condo in July and applied (a sort of) the Smith Manoeuvre, because I got the mortgage and line of credit (Visa one-the first 6 months interest rate is 2.9%) from Scotia bank. I also obtained the leverage loan from B2B through my financial planner.
Now it’s the time for me to pay the interest to B2B loan and Scotia Visa line credit.
I transferred investing money to investment account directly from Scotia Visa line credit by check. I am going to pay the interest to B2B and Scotia Visa Line of Credit by transferring money from the line of credit (Scotia Visa) by check again to my bank account (PC), then I will use PC account check to pay the interest of B2B and Scotia Visa Line of Credit.
Is it the right process? I don’t have any statement right now from Scotia yet, how can I track the money which goes to invest and to pay the investment interest for my case.
What kind of record do I have to print out from online and to keep for CRA?

Please advise and many thanks,
Julie

Julie
13 years ago

Hi FT,

Could Ed provide some suggestion? I bet he is also good at tax.

Thanks,
Julie

ben
13 years ago

Hi Ed,
Can you tell me if the service charge for setup the HLOC is tax deductable?
thank
ben

David
13 years ago

Julie,
Financial Advice is worth what you pay for it. While many here might offer opinions, I would suggest that you obtain advice from someone you can deal with directly, rather than in an anonymous manner through a blog. You also then have the recourse to demand that they back their advice with appropriate guarantees.

DAvid

The Financial Blogger
13 years ago

Hi Julie,
just another quick note, If your bank find out that you pay credit by credit, they might contact you as well. Technically, revolving credit is not made to pay other revolving credit. I am not sure it is a good idea.

Find yourself a good financial planner WITH EXPERIENCE with the Smith Manoeuvre. Make sure to make a good research for your financial planner. Unfortunately, as it is the case with many profession, there are many clowns out there…

Ed Rempel
13 years ago

Hi Julie,

Your advisor not explained to you how to implement it properly? Yes, your process sounds correct. FT is right, though, that it is important to keep an audit trail. If you are ever audited, you need to be able to prove that all the money you took out of your chequing went directly to investments or to pay interest on investment loans.

Unfortunately, you have a Scotia mortgage. Scotia is the most difficult bank for the SM, since they don’t automatically increase the credit line limit or allow investing directly from the credit line. At several of the other banks, you would be able to have B2B and your Visa charge their interest directly to your tax deductible credit line.

My suggestion would be to open a separate chequing account (or you could use an unsecured credit line) only for transferring all the cash. Put in some money from your SM credit line and then give B2B and your Visa a void cheque to have all their interest charged their directly. Get one from PC to avoid fees.

At Scotia, you will need to go into the branch every month (unless you have more credit available) to request that they increase your credit line limit.

Then use the SM CL to replenish your separate chequing account as necessary.

The advantage of this is that there is no mixing of money, like there is if everything goes in and out of your main chequing account. You have several accounts and all tax deductible money stays together – B2B, SM CL, Visa, and your separate chequing account. Never have any other money go in or out of any of these accounts. Then your audit trail is just showing all transactions in these accounts.

My other suggestion would be to discuss this all with your advisor (unless he is just a mutual fund salesperson) and to insist that your advisor does your income tax return and puts his name on it. This way, you can sue him if you ever lose an audit.

Your situation is more complex, since your mortgage is at Scotia and you have the Visa as well. Did you have a mortgage broker do the mortgage? Scotia is far more complex for doing the SM than the other banks, but it is the only major bank that makes their SM mortgage available through mortgage brokers.

Ed

Ed Rempel
13 years ago

Hi Ben,

Good question. The general rule is that if you refinance in order to setup the SM, then reasonable cost of setting it up would be tax deductible.

This would not include penalties to get out of your previous mortgage, but you can usually claim legal and appraisal fees. Just like interest, what makes it tax deductible is the purpose of the cost.

What do you mean by service charge? Did you get charged more?

We don’t come across this directly much, since we can almost always get an SM mortgage from a bank for no cost at all – no legal or appraisal fees. And no service charge or broker fee.

Ed

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Julie
13 years ago

Thanks Ed, FT, FB and David for the very useful comments.

Yes, I implement SM by myself according to everyone’s intelligence (thanks Ed and FT again) and my financial planner just help me do investment. As I mentioned at my previous email, I just use Scotia Visa Line Credit for the first six months (2.9% interest rate very attractive) then switch to HELOC.

Julie

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Craig
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Given that interest rates are on the rise, is the Smith Manoeuvre becoming less attractive? Has anyone calculated if there is a threshold for interest rate and required rate of return at which point the tax advantage of SM no longer works?

I’m all setup to do SM with my HELOC, but I’m now hesitant with the higher interst rates and especially given the recent market volatility.

Thank you.

Craig

The Financial Blogger
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With the recent events, interest rate might stay at 6.25% for a while. However, predicting interest rates is a very dangerous game. You have to look at the SM over a long period of time. As you are about to start it, your interest cost won’t be much in term of dollar for now until interest rates go down later on in time. You are better off starting now a 6.25% and benefit from a lower rate later on.
Keep in mind that any rate increase is affecting you by 60% of the increase only (assuming that you are in a 40% tax bracket).
Cheers,
FB.