Are hybrid vehicles worth it?  With record high gas prices due to the price of oil, I’m sure that most car owners out there have major concerns over their gas usage. Over the past 10 years, the cost of gasoline has grown 250%!

This got me thinking, with the newer “gas friendly” hybrid cars/SUV’s out there now, do the premiums attached to their price tags justify to extra mileage that you get? I did a little digging around the various car manufacturer websites to see the pricing of hybrids vs their gasoline versions and whether or not the gas savings added up.

From my research, this is the information that I dug up. Below is a table comparing some popular hybrids with their gasoline counterparts. The table calculates how long it would take the gas savings of a hybrid to pay for the difference in purchase price from their gasoline sibling.

Some notes about the data:

  • The costs are the purchase price after taxes/levies/fees and with the ecoRebate applied if applicable.
  • The comparison does not account for the extra maintenance cost (or depreciation) of the hybrids.
  • Assumes the gasoline price of $1.30/L or around $4.91/gallon.
  • The comparison is based on financial differences only and does not evaluate the “green” benefits.

Hybrid vs. Gasoline Vehicle Comparison

Car Cost Difference City L/100km HW L /100km AVG L/100km L / year Gas $/yr yrs to payback
Civic LX $25,170 8.2 5.7 6.95 1390 $1,807
Civic Hybrid $29,200 $4,030 4.7 4.3 4.5 900 $1,170 6.33
Corolla LE $24,665 7.4 5.6 6.5 1300 $1,690
Prius $32,866 $8,201 4 4.2 4.1 820 $1,066 13.14
Ford Escape (fwd) $30,226 10.3 7.7 9 1800 $2,340
Escape Hybrid $35,119 $4,893 5.7 6.7 6.2 1240 $1,612 6.72
Camry LE $30798 9.5 6.2 7.85 1570 2041
Camry Hybrid $36191 $5,393 5.7 5.7 5.7 1140 1482 9.65

It seems that the best “value” out of the bunch is the Honda Civic Hybrid which would take over 6 years for the gas savings to make up for the difference in cost. Even though the Prius claims the best fuel mileage, it’s the worst value of the bunch. The Prius would take over 13 years to pay for it’s premium, that’s 13 years too long for me. With all the extra electronics involved with a Hybrid, it’s also bound to have extra maintenance costs also, which is not accounted for.

Out of the vehicles compared, the price premium attached to the hybrid vehicles are just too great to be considered a cost savings relative to purchasing their gasoline counterpart. In order for me to even consider a Hybrid, their prices would have to come down to the level of their gasoline competition.

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  1. Cannon_fodder on June 17, 2008 at 10:04 am

    I know the # of diesel models is still slim in Canada, but I think it should be a hybrid vs. diesel vs. gasoline vehicle comparison.

    I was just speaking with a person from the Netherlands and another from South Africa and we all remarked how diesel used to be so much cheaper than gasoline but it now is more expensive (in all 3 countries). I could only hypothesize that it is demand-driven. There must be more demand for diesel fuel now than in the 90’s and whether it is in Europe where diesels are much more popular or in NA where they have a bad reputation, the result is the same – everywhere diesel fuel has risen faster than the cost of gasoline.

    I’d seriously consider a diesel vehicle for my next purchase – if it were up to me.

  2. Mike the Muffin on June 19, 2008 at 12:56 pm

    Check out the Vancouver Sun article in Wednesday, June 18, 2008, at

  3. Rob on June 24, 2008 at 6:52 pm

    I totally agree that hybrids are not worth the extra money. Especially when you consider the idea that hybrid batteries are only expected to last 6-10 years. They will then need to be replaced at $3000 – $5000, not too mention that the resale value of an older hybrid will significantly depreciate as nobody will want an older hybrid for fear of replacing those costly batteries. Add these figures into the higher starting prices and they are really a poor investment. A diesel powered car would be a much better investment in the long run.

  4. John Loch on July 6, 2008 at 10:49 pm

    As I read this and make the necessary calculations, you are assuming ~ 20,000 kms being driven / year (i.e. 12 litre/100 km = 13 km/litre; multiply the # of “L/yr” by 13 and you get 20,000). If I understand your overall approach, if one drives 40,000 kms/year, it would take ½ of the “years to payback” that you are showing. The other thing you are doing is simply averaging city & highway ‘mileage’ without weighting one versus the other thereby assuming 50:50 distribution between the two. That isn’t the case for many people, certainly not me. I am not sure how this would bias your analysis but I think that it would further reduce the “payback time”.

    So, I think his analysis isn’t necessarily that relevant to people like me who drive on the highway a lot more than in the city and also drive a lot more than 20,000 kms/year (actually twice that).

    I further wonder why you felt that the depreciation rate would be greater for hybrids and also why you felt there would be more depreciation for hybrids.

  5. FrugalTrader on July 6, 2008 at 11:34 pm

    Hey John, thanks for stopping by. It’s very difficult to please every, so I took the average of city and highway driving. If someone is doing primarily highway driving, then the gap between the hybrids and gasoline versions were be even greater as hybrid fuel economy typically decreases with highway driving.

    I estimate that hybrid depreciation is high because of the battery and hybrid system cost. From the comments above, once the hybrid battery dies (it eventually will), it will cost thousands to replace.

  6. kyler on July 7, 2008 at 12:12 am

    Sorry but I didn’t get through all the posts — yet i have a burning question or 2 for the masses.

    ONe, is there a concern with the useful life of batteries in cars like the Prius ( that could affect its resale value past say 5 yrs ) ?

    Secondly, is there any time when it makes sense to lease a HYBRID car like the Prius for personal use ( ie not being able to write off lease payments ) ?

  7. paul s on July 7, 2008 at 12:12 am

    FT…Not only do hybrid’s costs too much, their “value” as green cars is questionable too, if you look at “dust to dust” analysis.

    http://www.cnwmr. com

  8. Assibatzen on July 7, 2008 at 1:11 am

    hi there,

    very good point paul s. that’s what i was thinking. hybrid cars aren’t really green, they just use less gas. the manufacturing of the hybrid unit, battery, etc might be bad for the environment as well. some people think hybrids run on love and hot air, but they use gas too and they’re blowing out co2. just like every other car. it’s the same with electric cars just because there aren’t any exhaust coming out of it, it doesn’t mean that they are green. electric energy is still generated by coal burning plant.
    sorry i’m biased here – i think it’s good to get a good import car like vw and drive it smart. don’t drag race at the traffic light, no drive thrus, look ahead, don’t break as much!

  9. Potato on July 8, 2008 at 11:42 pm

    Paul S, that’s pretty weak. There’s at least 3 or 4 other long-debunked myths you could be spewing. This is a Canadian blog, why not dredge up the Sudbury thing? I’m sure that’d go over like a nickel balloon. If you don’t want to make up your own FUD, you can do a Google search for debunked myths, or see the summary “Hybrid Cars: The Benefit of My Research“. For the CNW…thing…, see

    #59: Electric cars, even when powered by coal, put out less CO2 due to the efficiencies of the electric motor and the efficiencies of a large centralized plant vs small internal combustion engines. Even if it were a wash, there are definite smog/asthma benefits to not having each car haul a smokestack right into the heart of our downtowns and then sit there and idle in traffic.

    Kyler: I can’t answer your lease question. The battery question unfortunately doesn’t have a hugely satisfactory answer: we don’t know for sure. We DO know that the batteries are good for over 500,000 km of mileage. They seem to last as far as you care to drive them. We don’t know however if the batteries have some kind of decay over time whether they’re used or not. They’re warrantied for 8 years/160,000 km, and we’re just past 10 years of real-world data with the first generation of batteries, and almost 5 years with second-generation batteries. The time-based lifespan appears to be at least 15 years, probably 20-30. The failure rate on first-generation batteries is somewhere around 1% I believe. There are isolated reports of second-generation batteries failing, but so far most are in some way related to abuse (overheating/forced overdischarge/collision); even then the reported failure rate is 0.003%

  10. a.k. on July 23, 2008 at 9:40 am

    You prius drivers are VERY biased as well. Sorry, some people here don’t take your vehicle too seriously. PRIUS were and are being manufactured and sold WHILE VIOLATING AN INTERNATIONAL PATENT by Antonov Automotive. The person behind the magiCk is not getting a penny of toyota profits.
    Someone explain me now why you chose to pay them so much premium for an over-hyped car with questionable milage and treehugging claims. Haven’t they already screwed someone in the very beginning? Guess who is next.

    BATTERY: -heavy.
    -toxic (sealed or not, one day you recycle it).
    -efficiency and capacity decreases over
    time, just like in your cell phone battery.

    MAINTENANCE: -expensive.
    -complicated and specialized.

    ENGINE: -high revving and running all by itself on a highway.

    DRIVETRAIN: -stolen.

    BODY: +very low air drag coefficient.
    -heavy for its dimensions.

    And one thing also, you want to save the nature, – just don’t have more than two children and use public transportation. So next time i zip by in my lightweight turbocharged ride, i want to see your pseudo-intelligent Prius face expressions gone.

  11. Peter on July 23, 2008 at 10:28 pm

    Although the comparison is good it does not reflect the real life. People buy cars for more reasons than cost. It is a good guide for someone who considers the cost #1 issue.
    In case of Prius in particular it can not be compared to Corolla. Prius is a much better car in every respect, design, looks, handling you name it. It is simply few grades above Carolla, which by the way is a cheap ride if you ask me. So if you buy Prius as a fine car with excellent millage then it may not take any time to recover the cost,. This car is as good and as classy as any car costing the same or even few thousands more. From that pint of view it is the best hybrid on the market no doubt. Those cars that are just hybrid versions of “regular” can be compared and one can decide on that basis if they want to. The “smart” car companies will build hybrids and other alternative cars that are completely unique not versions of the same old same old. Toyota got it right with Prus from the very begining.
    Personally I would not by any hybrid that is a version of the “regular”: one. What is the point?

  12. jamie on September 25, 2008 at 10:36 pm

    The prius is 21500.00 not the 32,000 as stated. It wont take no 13 years but at the current gas rate it will only will take 1.5 years to make up the difference in the gas savings with is 20.00 per tank of gas

  13. craig on October 8, 2008 at 5:45 pm

    What if gas increases another 250% over the next 10 years again though?

  14. truth'd on November 5, 2008 at 6:49 am

    :: 6 years to get costs back on a hybrid. Around 8-10 years life on a battery that costs $4-7000 — no economic sense (and NO, prices of batteries never go down over time.)

    :: Total carbon footprint of hybrids currently offset environmental benefits. Environmental benefits don’t seem justified unless they’re getting over 100+mpg..

    :::: Hybrids are a beautiful idea, but not economically or scientifically smart YET. (I smell big oil stalling things still.. help us Obama – you’re our last hope.)

    Buy a gas car and buy $20 of carbon offset credits a year for equal environmental impact… don’t forget to put the sticker on your car so you can feel proud. Better — buy a good diesel for overall fuel value, affordable longevity, and footprint.

  15. Chris on December 10, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    I am a proud owner of a 2008 Honda Civic Hybrid. First off, this graph is flawed due to the fact that it is using EPA MPG numbers as the standard for the calculations. I get 15-30mpg MORE than the sticker says I should (depending on temperature). I commute 75 miles daily, utilizing a little more than a gallon a day….huge savings over the small truck I used to have.

    As far as how quickly one recoups the ‘extra’ cost of the hybrid, solely depends on the DRIVER, not the car. Prior to this purchase I did my research regarding MPG, features, etc., not considering recouping any costs later. Honestly it wasn’t a factor what-so-ever. However for those of you that find this to be a factor, do research regarding hypermiling. It took me a tank or two to get effective at it, but it works. I now only fill my 12 gallon tank twice monthly, versus the 17 gallons 6 times monthly in a 4 cylinder 5 speed pick-up on the exact same commute.

    The oil changes for my HCH II are a lot more expensive, $10 per quart of oil, but only needs to be changed approximately every 9k miles. In the long run, savings over other straight fuel engines.

    Just my $.02. Plan on having this car for the next ten years (10 year all inclusive warranty), and it will pay for itself several times over.

  16. Chris on December 10, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    Noticed a few posts leaning towards diesel versus hybrid as far as fuel/car savings. Perhaps….but the environmental costs are staggering! Diesel is so filthy and damaging. Get a hybrid or electric, save our planet, not your wallet!

  17. Scott on December 10, 2008 at 9:01 pm

    @ Chris — it’s a losing battle. People will ALWAYS put themselves (and their immediate circle) before ‘The Planet’. Period. It’s part of our DNA: self-preservation. In this day and age, that equates to having money to spend on food, gas, heat, mortgage, kid’s clothing, etc. etc. etc. People will only care about The Planet once all their need/wants are fulfilled. That’s the way we humans are. We also like loud motors and thing that go vroom.

    (As a side note, that is exactly why the ‘quiet’ leaf blower has never gained a substantial market share — people don’t believe it works as well because it’s not making a loud combustion engine noise!)

    I read an article many years ago about a visitor to this country (I think from some Asian country). He was completely stunned at the sheer number of cars driving around with only ONE occupant! Exactly. We have far, far, far too many vehicles than we actually need. In Vancouver the HOV lanes had to be reduced from 3 people to 2 because no-one was using them! Two people is ‘high occupancy’?!?

    There is much more to do, vehicle wise, to save the planet than just choosing a hybrid. It requires a paradigm shift in personal, cultural, and societal mentality. Think that will ever happen in your lifetime?

  18. momma on December 16, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    “(As a side note, that is exactly why the ‘quiet’ leaf blower has never gained a substantial market share — people don’t believe it works as well because it’s not making a loud combustion engine noise!)”

    That’s terrible. (A rake is a quieter and better exercise.)

    I hope we learn to vote with our wallets: buy organic and free range eggs etc. People are looking to Obama to help build the infrastructure that will make many of our dreams for greener planet a reality. If the will is there we’ll reach the tipping point soon enough.

  19. The Financial Nut on February 11, 2009 at 9:48 pm

    Interesting remarks. Thanks for sharing.

  20. Maxtron on February 28, 2009 at 5:24 pm

    As I’m seeing it, prices have gone quite a bit, especially in this economy, everybody is fighting for buyers. For example, Honda civic hybrid sedan (basic) is now selling for 27 350$ Seems like we’re getting there. The price of gasoline as lowered but if we expect oil to go up in the next 5 years this seems like it would be a good time for buying hybrid. (if you have the money ;) )

  21. DelCid on April 22, 2009 at 12:01 pm

    Fuel economy. Realize no one gets the numbers posted on new car window stickers. The average driver only gets about 75% of what’s been promised. And that includes hybrid cars. But hybrids still get much better mileage than conventional gasoline vehicles. Smaller four cylinder models are the only gas cars that come close to hybrids in fuel economy.

  22. Sampson on April 22, 2009 at 12:47 pm

    Low sulphur diesel, and particulate filters are going a long way to change how ‘dirty’ buring diesel is. Certainly it is still a fossil fuel, but as someone else pointed out, most of our electricity is generated from fossil fuels also.

    Electric powered cars are obviously the way to go. Now that its been shown that they can produce exceptional power (see the Tesla), batteries are lighter than every, and plug in technology is coming to fruition, soon we should be able to put some solar panels on our roofs (that’s online too!).

    We’ll just have to wait and see how strong a hold the oil industry has on our world… ;)

  23. Colourful Money on May 2, 2009 at 7:20 am

    Superb article that I think sheds some light on the debate! I’ve linked to you at under Featured Articles. Gotta get this valuable piece of information out there! =)

  24. Daniel Howard on May 28, 2009 at 5:32 pm

    Hi. You missed the Creative Commons attribution on that photo.


  25. kamran shahkohi on October 12, 2009 at 11:57 pm

    after all, electric vehicles are the best values and will have the most efficiency and best resell values.
    Kamran Shahkohi
    Great Neck NY

  26. David in Ottawa on February 21, 2010 at 11:37 am

    Hi – this article is somewhat misleading. 1. There are LESS maintainance costs for hybrids 2. They depreciate LESS than counterparts 3. This comparison is against the base model and hybrid standard features are more rich than base models.

    I own a Ford Escape Hybrid. I bought in 2008 for $30,500 plus tax and recieved $4000 in rebates($2K from prov, $2K from feds). My loan is prime plus 1% which is 3.25% today.

    Oil changes are required only once every 12,000kms vs 6,000kms for standard model (on account of fact car runs in electric mode and electric motor assists when engine runs). Brakes also requires less service due to regenerative braking which reduces stress on brakes. Next time you are in Vancouver ask a cabby running a prius about their maintaince and fuel costs – they will tell you far less than reg vehicle.

    Check auto trader – hybrids retain value far better than counterparts.

    Check manufacture websites – my base hybrid came with options only found on more expensive non-hybrid models. Comparing apples to apples and you will find the price differencial far less than you might think.

    Honda Civic is worst value – doesn’t go into electric mode and your milage will not be as good as you would expect. Right now Ford Fusion Hybrid and Prius are best deals. Escape Hybrid overpriced.

    Hope this helps.

  27. Andrew on June 28, 2010 at 5:46 am

    Not to mention that these hybrid vehicles have a larger lifetime carbon footprint than most regular cars. The Prius has a larger carbon footprint than a Hummer H3.
    The complexities of manufacturing and the waste created when done with the car should make this obvious to most people.

  28. Sam on November 3, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    Maybe this article needs to be revised to reflect 2010/2011 prices and new models on the horizon ;-)

  29. Jeff on March 30, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    There are a couple of issues I have with this analysis. First, as many have already commented, comparing the Prius to the Corolla is not fair. I own a Prius, and from a luxury, size and feature standpoint, I would not have bought a Corolla. The more likely candidate is the Camry.

    Secondly, gasoline engine cars RARELY achieve anything close to the mileage ratings posted. Having owned a Prius for nearly three years I can say that in summer driving conditions I can routinely achieve 4.5 – 4.6 L/100km. My model year is rated at 4.5 L/100 km. I also own a Mazda 5, which is rated city/highway combined somwhere around 8 L/100km (sorry, the exact number eludes me), but I have been tracking my mileage and I am realizing between 10 – 12 L/100 km in the winter, and between 9 – 10 L/100km in the summer.

    It doesn’t seem like much, but the difference between 4.6 and 4.1 L/100 km is over 100 km in driving distance.

  30. nelson raver on March 25, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    I own a 2008 Prius and another manufacturer brand all gasoline driven auto, equivelant in class size and weight to the Prius. THE PRIUS WINS!
    The above and many other surveys comparison is using the highest number for MPG and is test study only; not a longevity comparison. In reality, most gasoline engines actual MPG is nearest to the LOW end which is much lower than the Prius. Ex. The 2012 Ford Fusion rating is 28-40 mpg and the 2012 Prius is rated at 48-50. Most of the time, the Ford Focus median MPG will be close to 37. The Prius Median MPG for my 2008 has been 46. My Prius cost $26,500 with package 2, touring package, tax, etc. and has more features than the 2012 Focus; such as the rear view camera and security system.
    Prius wins: No comparison!

  31. chance on March 27, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    For all you hybrid people out there, i want to to realize that hyribs may get better gas mileage, but realize that since the U.S. doesnt have the intellegence yet to make batteries cheaper, and hold more, 99% of the hybrids will be sold in foreign countries.also for car people like me, hybrids dont have balls , so why would i try to drag race with a piece of crap car that acn’t do crap on the road

  32. David on September 7, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    The Hyundai Sonata Hybrid has such a small price premium, it may be advantageous to add this to your above list for a comparison ($5,000 in comparison to the Sonata base model). This would pay off much faster (without looking at the math portion).

  33. Michael Kohn on September 26, 2012 at 8:10 am

    I know that the article should be updated but my opinion it is the same as 2008.

    Hybrid vehicles are the future but not the present.
    I suggest them to who has money to invest and also drives several miles a day.
    Some people could never get back enough money based on their car usage.

    Hybrid cars keep their value but it also more difficult to get a discount when you buy a new ones

  34. P L Wolstenholme on October 26, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    If you drive lots of km in a year for business, you really should give the Toyota Prius serious consideration.

    My wife is a realtor and drives 35,000 to 40,000 km a year in town. Her 2004 Prius racked up 290,000 km before we sold it for $5,000. The offsetting income tax for the business mileage worked out to a recovery of about $15,000 per year, we figure it paid for its capital cost in about 32 months. Thereafter that mileage claim value was a real bonus.

    Of course maintenance, insurance and fuel cost about $5,400 a year. Gas mileage ran an average of 5.5 l/100 km or 50 mpg in town.

    Our new Prius C Premium (smaller but just as well equipped) is proving to be even more miserly on gas and will earn us a faster payback because prices are lower.

    There’s no doubt that if you drive lots of business km in a year a Prius is a great value/ Besides it’s a very comfortable, well equipped car

  35. t on June 30, 2014 at 4:29 pm

    Chevy Volt may be the vehicle that is worth it !

    I have been tracking my vehicle costs using a self made spreadsheet for about 15 years. It includes any vehicle I have owned or thought about owning.

    I use the original cost, resale, # of yrs, gas, maint, insurance , interest costs, and a few other factors to come out with a true monthly cost of each vehicle.

    Not surprisingly used vehicles are always better even with higher repair costs. New vehicles are OK as well as long as you keep them for over 7 years. Under $2500 known reliable beaters are among the least expensive to run as long as you when to fix and when to dump.

    What is shocking to me is that the numbers i run on many on used chevy volts actually are inverse. Using my method a chevy volt will actually pay you a monthly amount if you have a daily commute of 50 – 100 km.

    I would buy one asap but they only seat 4 and we have 5.

    I’m still considering it though as 80% of the time we only have 1-3 people in the vehicle.

    Comments ?

  36. Economizer on June 30, 2014 at 11:23 pm

    I would say that the Tesla has the best value for the money. With a guaranteed buyback (is Elon still doing this?) there’s $0 on repairs or lease/finance payment except the interest.
    It has the most efficient (given value per kms or mile if you’re American).
    It has 480kms/~$6-7 charge. This makes the Volts 61kms range look silly and impractical.


  37. Len on July 4, 2014 at 7:25 pm

    the other point you did not check on is the difference in the cost of insurance between the cars.
    Also for me resale on a Hybrid after 5 yrs is not going to be good

  38. Rebecca on September 19, 2014 at 12:25 pm

    My issue with hybrids is that no one talks about battery replacement. We all know that batteries don’t last forever and they get less efficient the longer we use them. So, what happens after perhaps 5 years when you need replace the batteries? How much does that cost? How do you dispose of them? And what about the cost of the electricity to charge your car? I don’t believe the savings are as high as people would like to believe.

  39. Jeff on September 19, 2014 at 1:29 pm


    My Prius is now 6 years old and the battery is still going strong. Keep in mind that with any Hybrid vehicle, it’s not a single battery but an array of many batteries. So if one fails, the others are still operational. From my own research, a battery pack replacement would cost $3,000 – $4,000 – certainly not cheap, but a far cry from the outrageous claims of $15,000 many were claiming. Research I did before I purchased my Prius showed that Taxi drivers put about 400,000 km (~250K mi) on a Prius before retiring them, and they seldom needed battery pack replacement. The likelihood of needing it done is rare, and Toyota warrants the entire hybrid system for 8 years or 160,000 km. Battery shouldn’t be an issue for vast majority of hybrid owners.

    There is the issue of disposal… older models (mine included) used NiMH batteries which are toxic to recycle. The newer models are now using Lithium Ion batteries which are fully recyclable, meaning that there is a known limit of NiMH batteries that will eventually be recycled. Like any new technology, it gets better as it matures.

    Mine is not a plugin, so there’s no cost of electricity to factor in for me, but it would vary depending on your local electricity rates. My research has shown that it’s currently still cheaper than the price of gasoline. This could change over time as demand increases, but its no different than reliance on oil — its demand continues to increase, and prices continue to rise.

    Fuel costs for me have worked out to less than $1,000 CAD (~ $900 USD) / year. That’s commuting every day about 60km (~35 miles) – factoring in weekend trips, about 20,000 km / year (~12K miles)

    For me the savings is very real. My Prius costs me less than half of what my Mazda 5 does which gets used about the same amount. The cost of the car to purchase was about the same as my Mazda 5 as well, so all things being equal, in my experience hybrid vehicles are already definitely worth it, and they will only continue to improve as the technology matures.

  40. DLANCELOT on September 19, 2014 at 2:12 pm

    Answer for the Tesla S model is here:

    The free charge offer now only has the up front cost of the car (with the extended warranty), and, whether a person lives near a supercharging station.

    And, can the person afford the premium price of the premium vehicle or not.

  41. David on September 19, 2014 at 2:30 pm


    I suppose talking about replacing batteries is a lot like giving an fuel based engine an overhaul when it’s burning oil…a lot of people don’t bother (even though that is lowering their mileage).

    Inversely related on electric cars, a person who is particular and will notice that their range has slowly diminished from when it was new (they tracked it), and it drops 10-50 miles, they may want to replace the battery pack for the cost because mileage is more important to them than the cost (and by then, as Jeff has said, the technology may be drastically different).
    People don’t replace their drive train because the new one has better mileage, most people don’t keep on top of those developments. In fact, most people don’t know there are vehicles like the Mazda skyactiv technology that gets around 1200 kms on a $70CAD tank!

    We have a 2013 Honda Accord 2DR V6, and a 2010 Toyota Prius in my household, both fun to drive, the Prius gets about double the mileage (for the price to fill the tank). For me (Honda Accord V6), I spend about $300/month on fuel. If I was driving a Prius, $150. Being the Prius and Accord are around the same purchase price, this is a no brainer for someone who doesn’t care about the “fun factor” of driving.

    Now, for someone who loves the “fun factor” or “cool factor”, the Tesla S performance edition at $130,000CAD (delivered to my door in Calgary from Vancouver), it costs about $32 for the same mileage of the other two vehicles and it drives like a $180,000 sports car, and, it’s a 4 door!, so, with all that in consideration, if a person can afford it, it occurs like the far superior choice (if we’re just looking at fuel costs; don’t forget the regular service visits to the dealerships that’s no longer required as it doesn’t have an engine or transmission ;-).

  42. David on September 19, 2014 at 2:33 pm

    The Tesla S edition is also free to fill at the supercharger stations for people that live near them (1 in or around Banff, and north of Calgary to be built in 2015).

  43. think big on October 29, 2014 at 1:31 pm

    A couple comments on the “green” aspect…

    1) Think cradle-to-grave. While you’re using the car, you’re polluting less. But the production, transportation of, and disposal of the car after your possession are polluting more. It’s pretty much impossible to know how this balances out. It’s not fun to think about but shouldn’t be ignored. “I just buy rhino horn, I don’t kill rhinos.”

    1) In order for a hybrid to give a significant reduction in pollution, you have to be a major polluter in the first place! If environment is important to you, you won’t be putting over 20k km/yr on a car. Very rarely do people “need” to drive that much, it’s just a matter of the level of convenience and comfort living you want. Of course, any small effort to pollute less is still better than none.

  44. Student that needs HELP on April 24, 2016 at 9:42 pm

    What is the Gasoline cost per gallon of the Camry LE and Camry Hybrid?
    I need to know this by tomorrow if at all possible.

  45. David on April 25, 2016 at 12:00 pm

    Tesla 3, end of thread. This conversation will no longer be valid as of 2017.

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